Thanks Don. The problem is I have a Sound Logic BOB and it dosn't have a spindle output connection. I thought I could send the pwm signal through the Aaxis step connector since I don't use Aaxis. I have mach3 running the spindle using M3 and shutting down with M5 but no pmw. I enabled the Spindle in Ports & Pins>Motor Outputs, step pin #16 ,dir 0 and Aaxis step pin #16 dir 0. The stuff in Ports & Pins>Spindle Setup>Motor Contron Use Spindle and pwm checked, Freq=100 min=10. Ben